Why Does God Let Bad Things Happen to Good People?
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If you don’t believe there is a God, this question is moot
If God is a God of love, why does He allow evil things to happen to good people?
I think most people eventually ask this question at some point in their life. Being a person with a pragmatic bend, I have had to deal with it in a way that makes sense to me. I have to try and answer the question for my sons who ask, or at the very least explain where I stand and hope it helps them see my perspective.
To address this question you first have to assume there is a God. If that is not your belief, then this becomes a moot point.
[This hub is not written to debate the existence of God. Please take those discussions to the forums, they are crazy busy with people willing to argue their point of view.]
For myself, I believe in God and I believe he created man in His image and He gave us free will. When presented with the option man often chooses to ignore God’s desire and follow his own. Because we can each choose our own paths, and they do not always follow God's path, we create situations that are far from the perfect plan God intended.
So, why did God even bother to create us if He knew that by giving us choices we could and would choose to ignore him? Is it not feasible that by allowing us the freedom to choose, we please God when we choose to believe Him?
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A unique look at this very question
If you struggle with these hard questions, I would like to suggest that you read the book “The Shack” by Wm. Paul Young. This is a brilliant work of fiction in which he asks and attempts to answer these questions.
Please don’t ignore the book because it is fiction. The author has a very unique approach and some unconventional ideas that somehow work. If nothing else I think you will find a new perspective to ponder and quibble about.
For those who would argue that the Bible has all the answers and there is no need to look further, you may perhaps be right. Again let me say that I am a simple person, and don’t pretend to have all the answers, even having read the Bible - some portions - many times over. So when someone comes along that looks at the questions I have asked myself and makes an attempt to answer them, I am willing to hear what he has to say. And in this case willing to share it with others.
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Know this, that every soul is free
To choose his life and what he'll be;
For this eternal truth is given
That God will force no man to heaven.
He'll call, persuade, direct aright,
And bless with wisdom, love and light,
In nameless ways be good and kind,
But never force the human mind.
Freedom and reason make us men;
Take these away, what are we then?
Mere animals, and just as well
The beasts may think of heaven or hell.
May we no more our powers abuse,
But ways of truth and goodness choose;
Our God is pleased when we improve His grace
And seek his perfect love.
Anonymous
Source: current LDS hymnbook with music by Roger L. Miller, b. 1937
Why does God allow bad things to happen?
This is probably one of the hardest questions ever asked. It has sparked heated conversations around the world for as long as man has existed. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, and as trite as it sounds to those who seek to find them, I have had to rest in my belief that God Is, and I will live my life accordingly.
That does not mean that I will not continue to seek out the answers, even in my limited capacity for understanding the ways of God. I still want to know. Knowledge after all is what man reached for in the beginning - the knowledge of good and evil.
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Absolutely! I always admire someone who can use the written word so effectively. And it is always a special treat when the author challenges the reader to new ideas.
Thank you for an interesting perspective on why God lets bad things happen to good people. I am a devoted follower of Jesus Christ and believe that the concept of free will is central to becoming a follower or serving God. God is recruiting for believers but He will never force anyone. Also the concept of free will inevitably means that some people get hurt by choices they make. Interesting hub.
Hi Smireles.
Thanks for the interest and for your comments. It is interesting that Jesus, Son of God, - the only perfectly good person - suffered humiliation, criticism and crucifixion before being raised again by God, so that I could freely choose the gift of salvation he offers.
The Duchess and I discussed this off line, and by this time, a few of the points have been addressed above. However, she asked that I post what I wrote, and I'm pleased to do that.
Of course, discussing any aspect of how God interacts with the world is complex and multifaceted, as there is no one reason, just as there is no one way he treats everyone, other than loving us -- the "intolerable compliment," as C.S. Lewis called it, of loving us so deeply that he wants the best for us, even when it's not easy.
So here is what was written previously, in response to a question about my reaction to the post above:
The people who ask this question generally don’t think first of how to define “good people.” Or, to turn it around, to define what makes you not good. Does it take murder, or would cheating your boss, lying to your spouse, or cutting someone off in traffic count? At what point are you “good enough” to qualify for rescue. In addition, most people who ask that question would be outraged if God dared to stop them from doing something they wanted to do, even if stopping them protected someone else. They want interference when it is convenient, but not when it might keep them from pursuing their own agenda or pleasures.
So it’s all tied up in the issues of free will and sin. If God lets us have free will, we suffer the consequences of our wrong choices or the wrong choices of others.
To take it in a different direction, Jesus was perfect, and God allowed him to be crucified. Good thing he did, as we’d all be lost if that very bad thing didn’t happen to the one truly good person.
Looking at both the Bible and Christian history, we find that it is often the bad thing happening to the “good” person that strengthens the person, trains the person, moves the person to the next destination or level, or reveals God’s glory in some way. No one gets strong without a struggle. The butterfly dies if it does not have the opportunity to fight to get out of the cocoon. The soldier who never faces a battle will not be much of a soldier. People who face no hardships become weak, luxury-loving wimps who can’t imagine sacrificing anything for a higher cause.
As for “the Bible having all the answers” issue that you bring up, one might ask why God tells us in the Bible that there will be teachers, preachers, and prophets. If it’s all in the Bible, surely we don’t need anyone to guide us. The answer is, of course, that He knows we do need guidance. The Holy Spirit is the primary instructor, guiding us into all truth, and we are supposed to test the words of any teachers against the Bible, but that doesn’t mean never accepting teachers — whether in the flesh or in print. The teachers do not add to the Bible, but they unpack it, illumine it, use their gifts to show how ir applies. Regarding fiction, I have found great comfort and delight in the fiction of C.S. Lewis, for example, as well as instruction. And if we look at Jesus, he often used parables to teach. So I agree with you that a book, even fiction, can be a guide. We do need to test it against Scripture and reject any part of it that disagrees, but it doesn’t mean we can’t gain greatly from instruction.
Thank you Cynthia
God allows bad things to happen because there is sin in the world but he also is always there when we reach out to him. You can't have good without bad. Its all a learning experience and how we react to the bad and what we walk away from it with makes us who we are.
Kbennett, you are absolutely right, He IS always there. Just waiting for us to reach out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.
I loved this hub in favor of God and those who believe their is only 'One' who could have been our creator. Things do usually happen to us in regards to our choices. You made me want to read the book: 'The Shack'. Since I love to read, you have made me very curious about this one. Thanks!:)
Hi gwennies pen. I think you will find it an enjoyable read. A little out of the norm, but very thought provoking.
Enjoy
Duchess OBlunt,
Wonderful hub! This is quite thought provoking. I just wanted to say; God is the ultimate Father, Life is about discovering God our Creator, our life’s purpose and growing spiritually. It is important to Know His WORD! God wants the best for us!
Adam and Eve chose sin for us through their disobedience. This is why bad things happen to good people!
God still wants the best for us as His children. This is why He allowed Jesus Christ to come wrapped in a sinless body of flesh to overcome all sin in the flesh to show us the WAY back to Him. Jesus lived a sinless life and was crucified, died and was buried. Yet, He arose with all power. He was the ultimate sacrifice for all sin. Jesus is the “Good shepherd who laid down His life for us.” One might ask? Why do people continue to have children knowing the world is the way it is? Because, they love them and want to give them a good healthy balanced life. They know that bad things will happen but they also know that this will shape their character and make them better, wiser people! God is far above all of us. We are created in His image. He Loves us so much that he allowed His only begotten Son to die in our place!
Spiritual warfare is all about us. Sin lurks in many forms always trying to deceive, derail us as God’s children and to distract us or detour us from God’s plan for each of us! He has given us the ability to choose. it is important to know that “God never tempts us!” Once we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior; He comes into our hearts to live. He is the Resurrection! God has provided us with His Holy Spirit as an internal guide, teacher and Comforter to bring us to the knowledge of all Truth. “His Word is a lamp unto our feet and a Light unto our path.”
In Him we have the victory!
Thank you for this opportunity of sharing
Blessings
DeBorrah. Hello. I'm pleased you decided to join this particular discussion, and pleased you have provided your take on this tough question. I am always happy to hear another's perspective. Thank you for sharing yours.
Love it. No one ever promised that life was going to be easy, but with god at my side, all things are possible with him who gives me strength. God bless(:
Jon, thanks for stopping by and agreeing with me :)
God Bless
Aahh Duchess! You said it in the simplest form! Thank you for that!!
I have to bring most things down to the simplest form so that I can understand it.
It was a pleasure.
My personal theory is, deep down we really *want* bad things to happen, like you want a novel to have some kind of conflict, otherwise it would be boring to read. God, in his generosity, listens to and obliges those deep desires...
Pat's Wonderful Husband took a course on bereavement counselling at his local synagogue and recommends the book 'When bad things happen to good people'.
WE agree with you that 'The Shack' can be very helpful.
Thanks for the additional reference book. I'll have to look for that one.
It's people that allow bad things to happen, God just let's them do evil because that is their masters (Satan) desire, and God respects their free will, even to behave badly.
Every word we speak, is either a prayer to God or an empowerment to Satan.
As the majority of the world don't know Christ as their Saviour, then their words often favour Satan rather than God.
Thank you aguasilver for stopping in, commenting and becoming a fan.
I guess when you get right down to it, it is people who allow bad things to happen. We just always seem to want to be able to place the blame on the shoulders of someone much bigger than ourselves.
Thank you for the reminder to be careful of what we speak.
I read some of your hubs. You have quite a good collection.
Bad things happen every day to all people. We must understand that Gods way is higher than our's. We may never understand this question but we can understand this: that men must know God and to know him is to love eachother. This question that you ask is the same question as this: Why did God give us free will? Both questions are connected.
Thanks for stopping in arvino. The two questions may be connected but they are not the same question. What happens to us personally very often is a direct result of the choices we make because we have free will.
Yes God's way is definitely higher than ours, thankfully
Thanks for stopping by
behold the God of all human life hears all humanity the day freedom of God Jesus the holy spirit comes upon all the earth great hub
Hi Duchess:
Good stuff here. I'm a christian too. I appreciate your efforts. You do a nice job of apologetics.
Suggestion: "The Shack" is a very good place to lead into your article.
(The current lead raises a large number of points. Maybe too many, considering your purpose.)
One method of brainstorming for writing success, ie., how to push yourself toward "amazing" (you DO want the Reader to think you're an amazing writer, don't you?) is to OUTLINE your existing article.
Yes. I can hear the boo-hiss of some poor misguided author. Is he hiding in the glare of the sun; hiding behind that beautiful golden shield; the one we call....talent?
It's not hard to be blinded by the beauty of talent. But talent is merely the gift of genetics. It's what you're BORN with.
A long-legged beauty was proud of her legs. She had strong, well-shaped legs; able to carry her everywhere that others might admire her. A smaller, shorter woman, with a limp, admired her.
Years later, they both would meet at a track and field event. The ugly duckling of the two would take home the prize.
Her handicap made her self-conscious of her faults. She realized the only way to overcome her natural weakness (the limp) was to work harder, longer and then harder and longer some more.
The beautiful, talented girl got second prize.
HubCrafter
Welcome HubCrafter and thank you for your insightful suggestions. They all come at a time when I just cannot work on them. Priorities being what they are.
But I will come back and review this in the near future and see what I can do to improve. It was one of my first hubs so suggestions for improvements are always welcome.
Can you cite the source of the statement tells about about giving free will?
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
1Ch 21:11 . . . "Thus says the LORD: 'Choose for yourself,
Job 34:4 Let us choose justice for ourselves; Let us know among ourselves what [is] good.
Pro 1:29 Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD,
Pro 3:31 Do not envy the oppressor, And choose none of his ways;
Pro 12:26 The righteous should choose his friends carefully, For the way of the wicked leads them astray.
Duchess
Thanks for the reply, Fearing the Lord doesn't sound like free will.
Through my own personal experiences, bad things, way too many to speak about...I believe that God allows these things to happen for "design" purposes.
God's will is all knowing, to God but not to us.
Sometimes God strips us of everything so that he can rebuild us into what he has designed us to be. It just makes sense to me.
Great Hub!
Ghost Whisper 77 - That's an interesting name!
I actually agree with your comments. I too believe that God is all knowing and He has a purpose for everything. We don't always know what that is, but when we are in a position where things are not good- if we believe in God - that's when we learn to depend on Him and to be willing to listen to what He wants.
It's often a hard lesson but we can be stubborn and He is patient (thankfully)
Hi I like your Hub. I feel we are being talked to by god daily. I feel when you see things that happen to people everyday on the news or anywhere you may hear it, is a sign to listen. Like he is saying please take heed to what you are seeing because it can happen to you. And before it happens to you it happens to someone else and when you hear it on the News or see it in papers I think he is saying never take this bad news for granted it could be you, so i bleive god talk to us. So when I hear something on the news and i know it could in my back yard and not taking bad things for granted i try to protect my family from the evil things that happen, but i also beleive when bad things happen to good people that it just they're time to go home but in that bad news there is a message for us to even thou he has taken someone home in a bad situation he is telling us protect your babies protect you family or your loved ones. Like i herd a little girl got smashed in a car in a wreck I thought how awful is that, well it told me to check the seat belts and make sure your focusing on what your mission is for that day. But if it's time for us to die god takes us even if it is easy or not. But we are supose to listen. Like the earthquake in Haidi, god is letting us know we aren't to far behind the samething. We are supose to be ready to meet our maker and if we aren't then what. Like everything in revalation I beleive that whole thing is about people who think there isn't a god. I ask myself everyday if this was any of us would I be ready, I say yes.You have to be ready don't take noting for granted because when it's your time to pass away what is your mind and heart going to be in. This is god's world and he also made sstan so in reality when bad things happen where will you be? Anyway that is my belif on bad things. Will you be ready to meet your maker in good or bad situations. Gos is talking and I just learned that. I pray for the people who have had a bad thing happen. We aren't alone and I know this to be ture. Thank you melinda Bocook
In my life i use to worry about the babies that die before they really get to live. Well I was reading in the bible and it eased my mind to know takes our babies when they die and young childern, I was raised in a faith that showed me what god is about,but I was also confused about what happen to little kids and babies. My dad always told me you go to hell if your not living by gods word, he confused me alot. He told me that kids are covered by the parents when kids are small, if the parents are living by gods word then the kids will be safe if they should die, well this confused me what if the parents weren't living by gods word and a baby or a child shall die what murcy shall be shown,he told me I am not the judge for that only god is he said. Well I searched and I finally found it, it's in the bible that god takes all babies and all kids no matter what he takes the babies and childern. Well this made me feel alot better. When my daughter was older she got a abortion and I cried this was before I found what I wanted to know I cried she said mom this is my body I choose not to have this baby. When I learned what god said it made me feel so much better to know that baby made it into haven. But now I am worried about my daughter who did this,because in gods eyes she is a killer. So I keep on aking her to go and ask him to forgive you but she won't even go to church or look one up and just get going to understand god's word.But I keep on praying for her.i know god is working with her just not to where she really wants to do it. God did bless me with 11 grand babies but if my daughters wouldn't have gotton reid of some babies I would have 14. I pray for my girls because I really don't beleive in abortion. And it hurts to this day, to know the system as given them a choice but i do feel better knowing my 3 grand kids are up in haven. And it doesn't brother me as much to hear about a death of a child because god is there to meet them. I love god and I am happy he gave me a choice to serve him.It's importen to let god be in our lives because bad things do happen and it's not how you die it's if your heart and soul is right with god. Thank you Melinda Bocook
Thank you spiceyfood for sharing so much of your own personal experience and thoughts on this subject. I will add your family to my prayer list. God not only talks, He listens.
Duchess, I am just now getting to this. This wonderful and so is Cynthia's explanation. I am going to share this on my hub that I am about to finish, if U don't mind, (let me know) I feel so inspired reading this. Wonderful thoughts.
Linda
Ictodd1947. Sorry for the delay in getting an answer to you - have been out of the country on Business with no internet connection - quite an experience.
I'd be pleased to have you share this. However, please be aware that HubPages does not allow copying. If you copy and paste somewhere else, I will be penalized and the hub may be removed. You must paraphrase it somehow or link back to the hub directly. Cynthia's answer I do believe can be copied. If it is within hubpages itself, just use the "link" option in your capsules. If you need help, email me through HubPages and I will try to assist you with it.
Please keep an eye open as I will be sharing a little bit more about Cynthia soon. As well as a travel article on my trip to the USA.
Thank you again for the compliment.
Oh no, I don't copy anything. I write my stuff myself. I have a link back to your page (I have been at this link process for awhile, I learned from scratch, I did not start out on Hubpages) on two of my pages. I believe as long as we refer to Hubpage articles we are okay in promoting someone else. Let me know if I am wrong but per my other reading, it is. I just finished one and u can check, if you like. It's okay, trust me! It is the least I can do.
Thanks Ictodd1947 - can you share the link so I can check it out? I don't see any reference on your profile to other places we can find you on the net, or I wouldn't ask.
Thank you
Jesus said there isn't even one who is this thing, Good, except that one who is God. Something happens to everyone in life. Perhaps far worse happens to other people than what happens to other people as this is just a strange world.
There is a picture of how Jesus appeared to me in the sky when I was a boy of 10 at my hub.
Thank you Duchuss Sorr about the miss spelled words, I get on a subject and i can't stop. But i do like your blogs and i like the way you express them, I will keep you in our prays to . God know's we all need it. i like that your praying for my daughter, and family. The power of prayer is the most powerful thing that is alive today. Thank and be seeing you in space, Mel
Wow. This really generated a lot of comment. We need to wrestle with these big issues because these are the issues which are a stumbling block to faith for so many people.
As I have deepened my spiritual walk I have come to accept that some of the things which I have previously thought 'bad' in my life were not 'bad' at all. The older I get, the more I seek to take a God's eye view of wht we call evil in the world. And we know from scripture that the rain falls on the just and on the unjust...which can mean 'blessings...as in rain' or 'storms...as in rain,' I believe.
Can we even imagine a world in which God intervened in the physical laws of nature for every impending accident, for every virus which spreads disease and so on? We need bacteria, for instance, in order for decomposition to happen. If nothing rotted away, we would all be pushing aside the corpses of every once living thing which ever existed.
I like the explanations put forward by Brand and Yancey around the problem of suffering. Essentially the argument is this: 'If God were to design a hand which could not be broken, the finger bones would have to be the size of 2 x 4's and they would not work for the delicate tasks for which they are designed.'
Keep thinking about this. Great Topic.
Constancemary, there are likely fewer questions that have been asked by more people. it seems to be universal and I wish I had the answers.
thank you for your time and comments. If you read all the comments, you've been here a while :)
Have a blessed day.
I myself have asked that question several times but I seem to always go back to what I've learned going to church all my life. "God works in mysterious ways"
I'm honestly thankful for all the bad stuff I've been through because I have learned a lot from my mistakes. I am 24 and pregnant with my first child and married to the greatest man alive. If it weren't for my bad habits, I wouldn't be where I am today.
I am a born again Christian and never doubt anything that's coming my way.
I loved reading what your wrote and that book "The Shack" is awesome. My mother-n-law gave me a copy and it was such a blessing!
Beasley2007, This is indeed an age old question. Many times the choices we make are the cause of some of the bad that happens to us. Sometimes it as a result of the choices that others have made and sometimes, I have no understanding of. I expect to when I am finished here though.
The Shack is an awesome book. One of the better ones I have read in a very long time. Glad you enjoyed it too.
Interesting hub and comments! This hub attracted my attention because I have gained so much from reading "Trusting God When Life Hurts" by Jerry Bridges, "Suffering and the Sovereignty of God" by John Piper, and "Not By Chance" by Layton Talbert. Because these books line up with Scripture I trust the counsel in them. I will try to take a look at your book soon.
Life does present hard questions but God does not want us to avoid them. He wants us to mature in our dependance on Him to the point that we are able to ask the hard questions in faith. He wants us to trust Him enough to tell Him that we don't understand and we need His help. He wants us to love the whole counsel of His Word and reverence Him according to it. The wonderful thing is that His omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence is blessing to the one who will trust Him even when life is inexplicably and impossibly difficult.
There are mysteries that God our Creator (Potter) has not revealed to us His created (clay) yet He asks us to come to Him according to His Word through the Lord Jesus. The question to answer is will we, or will we harden our hearts to His Word? Once that is settled, we can earnestly begin the maturing process that God desires us to go through so that we can have a full, free relationship with Him. A wonderful mystery, yes?!
Oh what a wonderful answer! It addresses the "free will" idea while presenting God as he should be.
Well done!
Thanks--looking forward to reading your other work.
My pleasure RTalloni. I look forward to yours as well.
Bad things happen only if we label them as bad. From my limited understanding of Christian belief, is not all supposed to be a lesson? Whatever happens is meant to instill humility and patience or some other virtue? They are tests so to speak in our journey towards God.
It's a very good question for I know many are confused on this point but if we were to see it from the point of view of a teaching then it need not be so bewildering when "perceived" horrible events occur.
Augustine,Calvin,Spurgeon,Ariminus,Wesley,Etc all struggled with this question. Because the Bible in it's Original 1st Century New Testament language Greek Aramaic and Old Testament Hebrew clearly reveals the Nature of God. To all of the people above at first the Bible seems contradictory but when readong the whole context the Bible reveals that them and our preconceptions are contradictory. Satan knows that a half truth or most truth and partial lie is more eternally destructive than a complete lie.
good point
Some great comments here on your hub. By the way, I am reading The Shack, about halfway finished. Very interesting.
DustinsMom, its a very different book.
thank you for your thoughts. i find that c.s. lewis also has some great thoughts on suffering. i often think about what Paul the Apostle said about creation groaning, waiting for the sons of God to be revealed. we are travailing here, and God has a purpose in each and every circumstance. what a comfort!
Amen
Amazing.
Well, for me God is amazing michael brannigan
Interesting thoughts! I would love to read the book you've mentioned.
I too wonder if God has a dark side to Him. I've written a piece on that !
LogicalSpark, interesting concept you have. And you are not the first to think it.
I think you might enjoy "The Shack".
Since god does not exist, your question is pointless.
JMHO.
NewsFromTheEdge, it seems apparent you did not take the time to read the Hub, I told you not to waste your time if you don't believe there is a God. I wonder why you bothered to comment at all?
Maybe I have lots of time to waste.
Duchess OBlunt, i am always scared about reality and its dangers.I still am. I ask questions like this: When will I die? Is someone suffering at this moment? Does God forgive me when I sin? My fears threaten me. I am still extremely scared and concerned.
I hesitate to answer this jojo as there is no way for me to connect with you other than here, and I am not qualified to help you with the concerns you have stated. You should seek help from a local pastor or minister to help you with those questions. Your comments lead me to believe you should find someone to talk to.
Yes, I agree. It's simple the cost of free will and God's unquestable means of creating an eternal being.
I agree. We have free will and we make what we want out of our lives. And if we never know of bad, we would not be able to appreciate the good. We would not need God to lean on and no lessons would be learned.
First of all, I believe that God continually talks to each of us. We can exercise our free will by listening to God and obeying Him or we can follow our own mind without hearing God's warning of unforeseen dangers. One has to keep an open ear toward our Lord Jesus. But remember, we all are appointed to die once and maybe ignore God's warning because you have already made up your mind to do something which ends in a fatality.
lol well the first misconception on this subject is to call will or agency "free." Your article addresses one of the expenses of Agency. In effect, your right to choose comes at the cost of someone else's right to choose. How can you call anyone evil if they haven't done anything worthy of the title? How can there be a Judgement of any kind if there are no actions to judge? Thoughts are all fine and good but I am betting that if you were judged on those you would probably be a pile of molten cinders right now. As far as God is concerned, it is only his job to help pick up the pieces for those who actually care enough not to curse him for the freedom they just had to pay for at their own expense. He is bound by law not to judge the future. He therefore has to allow the present and worry about the future when that too is the present.
What about limited free will when have to choose the lesser of two evils - such as every presidential election in the past 20 years?
@wilmiers77 Thank you for taking the time to comment. I’m not sure what unquestable means? But I do agree with you that we certainly do use our free will when we choose to believe in God. However, I am leery about anyone who says God speaks to them. He might indeed but too many use those words very inappropriately.
@Jennshealthstore there are some days, I wish we did not have to learn the hard lessons.
@ Jaggedfrost forgive me but your comments left me spinning and confused. I’m not sure what you are trying to say even after taking some time to visit your hubs.
Am I correct? You believe the only thing God is responsible for is picking up the pieces? He gave us the ability to choose but not the wisdom to choose wisely and now he has to clean up my messes (and everyone else’s). Is that basically what you are saying?
@ ptosis. Limited free will? Isn’t that an oxymoron? I agree that choosing any candidate comes down to which one lies the least, but that is not a limit to free will.
Thankyou so much this hub has answerd many queshtions for me it is veary informatioal and very well writtin
hmm Perhaps I should simplify the path of agency. Wisdom or the ability to know how to choose is in my view the entire point of life. Father picking up the pieces is optional and usually only done upon request. The only people immune to the vast issue that agency creates are those who submit themselves to the Father as his representatives and they really only have immunity so long as they have a continued purpose on this earth and then like Peter or any of the other apostles at the time, they find themselves signing their own testimony with their own blood so to speak. On the whole however, bad things happen to good people in the name of justice. Bad things happen to bad people as well. When bad people if you wish to consider this linearly do bad things or are allowed to do bad things it is because the label bad requires some justification and judgement must fair enough not to jump to conclusions. How Good people respond to bad things will separate those who are only good when the chips are up and those who wilt under the pressure of the problems this life presents. Either way, If bad things didn't happen to good people you would have a hard time calling them Good. That was the question at issue in the Book of Job. I hope this clarification helps.
I am posting your response jaggedfrost, but only because I asked a question that you attempted to answer. Can't say I agree with you because I still don't know what you are trying to say. Shall we just leave it that anyone interested in your responses check out your hubs.
Sure. lol it is good of you to post them regardless.
I am obsessed with communicating clearly but out of respect for your work here I wont write another book in this thread. I have been trying to simplify my comments in the following Article. If you want to write a book there telling me how I still am not making any sense you are more then welcome.
i've read in the bible, a tragedy, a catastraphe will lead you back to GOD, and by GOD it happened to me, i backslide a while as my wife did, she had a brain anuersym and i prayed for 6 months, but she died, ever since i've made it a habit to stay close to the LORD. I guess death is better than the day you were born.
You have so much valuable free time on your hands and you waste it by analysis of your beliefs. True belief needs no reasons or logic or analysis just acceptance. If you feel the need to analyse then you have doubt and if you have doubt then you do not truly believe. I suggest you get out more, travel, meet people and live a life rather than build a welcome sign for the inevitability of Death.
Interesting perspective Duchess OBlunt. This dilema reminds me of Job! God does not do bad things to people-people do it all by themselves-the real test of God's will is not to lose faith in him...during the good times and the bad!
i know why God lets us go through bad things .. I have loved the Lord all my life, always in every year something totally devestating or so it seems happened in everyyear. I always managed to pull through. I figured it out though. The things that happen are our training ground on how to handle things and love God in the interim. Of course he doesnt force us to love him, but it is even a more difficult choice if we are going through real rough times isnt it? I always hold fast to God, I dont blame him ever for any position I am in even if it is a stroke, even if I have a severely sick child that will never get better, even if I have such financial difficulties that it feels like I will never get out. It is training ground, I'm teling you. I know God loves me. he is watching how I respond to everything, how I dealwith the situations that fall onto me. Every one who reads this must realize that they are not the only ones... just trust God and he will see you through.. I know some things are harder than others but there are deep seated reasons... god loves us no matter where we are at
I have to agree with you primpo - God does love you. I like the training ground analogy.
Let's cut to the chase here - you all have no answer, and sadly nor do I. I watched my wife suffer for years with chronic MS....and she pass away at 48. She would never hurt a fly and was always (even in her last days) the happiest person I ever knew. She suffered greatly and was cheated out of a life. Why?
William, you are so right - I don't know why and I wish I could help you.
I have watched some wonderful people whom I loved dearly suffer greatly before leaving us as well. And still I don't know why. I'm sorry for you loss, truly sorry and I wish I could help you deal with the pain, or at the very least answer that question for you.
Have you read the book "The Shack"? the author does what he can to answer his own very similar question.
thing is
what if one chooses their way and not gods way
and things actually work out great and success occurs
i dont like any kind of god who set out to undermind me in any efforts because it wanst his will
i personally dont care if something is or isnt gods will anymore
another thing
bad christians and gods absence from everything
has ruined god for me
had to give up on god
the false hope had to end
Kathryn, welcome.
Many people do choose their own way, and a good many of them can be successful in material things.
You misunderstand God I think. As far as I understand He does not set out to undermine you. Ignoring him will eventually be your downfall, but that still is your choice.
I’m sad to hear that you have let “bad Christians and the absence of God, ruin God” for you. People are people, it doesn’t matter what their religion or race is. We all make mistakes. You should not allow their mistakes to influence your life. As to God’s absence - I believe He is there, and talking to you. You just are not listening.
Kathryn - I’m very sorry to see that you have given up on God. I hope you are speaking only in frustration and do not meant it. He hasn’t given up on you, and I don’t think that is false hope.
We cannot know but we live as we should loving our neighbors and even our enemies.[but only one at a time please![joke]Stories are easy to remember and change the heart
This is one of the most testing questions facing a Christian and there is probably everything wrong with the question rather than the answer! But it certainly feels like God is either not completely in control (maybe he isn't if there is a ruler of this world other than him) or else he just doesn't care or want that much input - bothering about the petty concerns of 6 billion humans must be awesome! As one of those I just muddle along and try to be hopeful in all situations and cope with what turns up but severe pain is hard to bear, and even harder are those pointless times when everything goes wrong and leaves you in a bad situation which takes years out of your life as you struggle to get back on your feet. Then those wretched times when someone you love dearly dies. It all seems so meaningless. Wanting someone to blame, it is easy to blame God. But I guess there are many variables at play including the Law of Attraction (not very believable a lot of the time) and those people who sweetly say that it is sent to try you and you will be a better person afterwards. Those sort of people usually have no difficulties in life whatsoever. All one can really do is to have a big picture view, hope for the best, be prepared for the worst, laugh often, and make lots of friends, and try to feel that a testing life is slightly better than no life at all and there is always someone worse off than yourself. I try not to trouble thinking about God much since he obviously has his own agenda and I am not figuring too highly on his list of important issues in the universe.
Adwello I trust you won't be too upset if I disagree with you - because I believe God actually does care. I may be naive, but I still believe that. I like your suggestion though - to gather lots of friends and loved ones in your life. They help. And I agree - pain and loss can make anyone wonder the same things you do.
Like everyone else, I struggle with the hard questions, and I certainly do not have the answers, but it's been very interesting to see how others react to the question.
Thanks for stopping by.
Wonderful hub and very interesting comments too. But I wanted that specific statement/answer to your title. Perhaps it could be, "Because He knows best", which is almost too simplistic an answer.
Thank you for sharing your heart/trust so gently firm!
frogyfish - I wanted/still want the answer to my question.
"He knows best" might in fact be the right answer and I certainly don't want to put myself in a position where I am questioning him....but I do still wonder
How about this: God is Love, and Love, true Love cannot really exist without the challenges, difficulties, the pain and the suffering that are brought about by our bad choices, or the bad choices of others. Love, real Love is doing the right thing in spite of bad circumstances. Jesus himself said that there is little profit in simply loving the people who love us, such as friends and families when he challenged his disciples to love their enemies. He pointed out that loving the lovable is a given. To love one's enemy, however, or the unlovable, that is a challenge.
Now, when I say Love, I am not referring to emotions but actions. To Love someone is to look out for their best interest, not necessarily to be nice to them. Sometimes acts of love are not percieved as such at the time, but as one looks back later on, they become evident.
I think God desires us to go above and beyond ourselves, to go beyond the hurt, the pain, the disappointment and the suffering. To love (in the active verb sense) when everything sucks and when one does not feel loving, is (I think) to learn what God means by Love. The interesting thing about this is that, like everything else, it gets easier with practice. As we continuously seek to love, we also become more loving and eventually the feeling of love catches up.
God permits pain and suffering, in my opinion, because the relationship He desires to have with us is one of Love, not one of a slave to a master but of a friend to a friend, or of a father or mother to a son or daughter. Love, true Love cannot really exist, I believe, without freedom. If God controlled everything in order for humanity to exist in perpetual bliss, Love, true Love would be impossible.
One of the hardest things to do as a parent is to eventually let go and allow our children to learn through their own mistakes. If we continuously prevent them that freedom, our children will always depend on us as slaves and never grow up to their full potential as free and capable adults. I believe that this is also the kind of relationship our Father in Heaven wants with us. That said, in some really special circumstances and for reasons He alone knows, God does intervene sometimes, those we call miracles. If they happened all the time they would cease to be so.
I think, if I am hearing you correctly Al, that you are basically saying that we need to be able to love God despite everything. To be able to thank him through everything.
Does that sound about right?
Hi Duchess:
I re-visitted your hub today and thoroughly enjoyed it. But when I read my earlier comment I blushed at my ham-fisted attempt at criticism.
My apologies.
Kudos to you for a well-written hub...
and for your forebearance, lol.
HubCrafter - no need for apologies. I have to admit it took me back at first, but hey, I am here to learn, so I tried to take your advise under consideration for other hubs written since then.
I hope an improvement can be seen :)
Thanks for the kudos. Love those!
I have to say I am going thru a divorce right now. I was lost before this happened. It has been seven months now since my wife and son moved out on me. I allowed satan into our lives. I suffer from hearing voices in my head and seeing things that arent really there. One of the voices was truely evil. I listened to it and obeyed it. I rejected God for so long. The night I came home from the hospital for a suicide attempt I heard the Lord speak to me. He told me he loved me. I didnt belive in him or God. I could not fathom such beings could exist. Much less love me for what I put my family thru. My wife says she no longer loves me. My world came crashing down like a mountain on top of my head. Yet I had something inside of me that I always felt was missing. I started praying. I never prayed it didnt work and I had no use for it. The voice in my head got great delight in listening to my wife praying and crying in the night to heal me and our family. Now I find myself praying to something that I had no faith in. I started reading my bible and I started to see things in it that I could not explain. Miracles happening to people that Jesus didnt even know. They were all people who had bad things that had happen to them. People who were sick and dead being risen. People who sinned like me who were foregiven for their sins. I wept at the thought of this God is real and he can foregive me for my sins. I have the single worst thing happen to me with this divorce. The woman I have been married to for 16 years is wanting to leave me and doesnt even want to be friends. To me nothing except death is more worse. Yet I find comfort in someone I never met and have just gotten to know. He allows bad things to happen for his own reasons. I have read many books on why do bad things happen to good people in my new journey with the Lord. They all have nothing more than theroies. I have really come to the conclusion that God is the only one that truely knows why. All we can do is speculate. We just have to deal with what God deals us best we can and grow so close to him. I have surronded myself with religious books and my bible. I have asked many preachers in my journey in asking for prayer in my situation. None of them have the same answer as to why God lets us go thru bad situations. I have decided to let God take control of my life and maybe I will find the answers someday. I am making a choose to not keep asking why. It is something that can only consume you. If you take that energy and focus on prayer and ask him for wisdom and what he wants us to do. He is the ruler of our destiny. I belive that now. I belive he puts us on our paths bad or good. He knows every hair on our head. There is no way now that anyone can tell me he has not been in control of our lives before we were even born. Our lives were mapped out before we were out of our mothers womb. We just have to do what we feel is best for us. There are some who will continue to think that being with out God is their cup of tea and those of us that belive that God is our cup of tea. I am new to being a christian. I dont pretend to have all the answers. I belive that our God is a God of miracles still this day and age. If he werent there would not be souls saved daily in this messed up world. He is my friend my one and only friend now. I speak to him several times a day. I always read something religious. I watch nothing but church on tv. I never would have done that seven months ago. That voice would not let me. That voice hi tailed it out of me when I accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour. I am going thru a living nightmare but I have found a peace that I cant explain. I have found a new gift from him the gift of faith. Nothing seems to shake that. No matter how bad my situation is nothing seems to shake my faith. Faith like a musturad seed. Dont dwell on the bad focus on the good. Focus on God and what he can do for you. If you have faith and hope in him nothing is impossible. God Bless all of you!!
Eddie - Here's hoping the voices in your head are under control, and may God richly bless you. Keep the faith,
Duchess OBlunt,
Beautiful Hub. I too am constantly looking for answers--answers which make sense and feel right. That's not easy.
The problem, as you pointed out, started with disobedience in taking from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From my own research, it seems that this tree was not a physical tree. In Genesis 2, God said that Adam would surely die on the day he ate of that tree, but he and his mate did not literally, physically die on that day. Instead, they were escorted out of the Garden of Heaven and Adam lived to the ripe old age of 930. Adam died spiritually. He lost his connection to God. He took ego as his master rather than God.
And "knowledge" is used frequently in the Bible for "laying with" (as in, "he knew her"). Getting intimate with dichotomies such as good-evil, right-wrong, generous-selfish, compassion-indifference, victim-perpetrator, and others, is the essence of holding ego as our master. Ego is hard to let go of, but it is this "self" we need to "kill" before we can attain everlasting life. Humility is the antidote for ego.
Why do bad things happen to good people? Each thing that "happens to us," is an opportunity to awaken from our immortal slumber. The Master from Nazareth told us that he that lives by the sword shall die by the sword. This is another name for "karma." And there is no "bad" karma. There is only the will of God. When "evil" happens to good people, could it be that they are now "dying" by the "sword" by which they had lived in a prior life? But let us put the focus where it truly needs to be: Could it be that they are being given an opportunity to obtain the humility they had ignored before? An opportunity to come back to God?
If we are grateful for each thing that happens to us and take complete responsibility for it (blaming no one), then we will be set free of that burden. Just as with true forgiveness, letting go of resentment means that we no longer carry that ball-and-chain.
I believe bad things, evil things happen to good people because that is God's concept "long-suffering" To know wisdom is to know long suffering. To some more than others. Adam and Eve went through long suffering ... they had no chance. They were so dumb they did'nt even know they were naked, yet God placed them in a beautiful paradise with the most evil deceptive creature ... they had no chance to pass this situation.
When Moses was told to free God's people, God's people were already slave prisoners for 400 years four hundred years!! thats long suffering.
Jesus decended down to minister to the people who were all in prison from the day's of Noah ... How many years had passed from the time of Noah to the time of Jesus? All these people in prison "prison a place of long suffering and sorrows" ... that is very very long suffering.
Even the story of Job "the only person who walked perfectly with God at that time" And look what great suffering fell upon him. Very very few could pass something like this unless they have the faith that God seems to require of us. I know forsure I could never pass something like this because I fail over and over again all my life.
When things start shaking!! many come forth to get closer to God ... but many don't realise, it is God who's doing the shaking.
Wow. Very nice hub that gives us a lot to think about and thanks for the book suggestion "The Shack".
A pleasure malonge, and a very good read
Voted Up and rated several. Thanks for this one!
It was a pleasure indeed Patty. Thank YOU!
Bad things happen to good or bad people with varying degrees in order to be examined in their faith to HIM and whether they shake or remain faithful.
Not sure I can 100% agree with that statement. i know this happened to Job for such a reason, and I know it CAN be the case, but I'm not so sure that is the only reason bad things happen. For example, there are many times our choices have results that are not so good.
Awesome and beautiful hub! I agree with you entirely. Thank you, Debbie
Thank you gitrdun4444! (Debbie)
lol, he lets it happen cos he dont exist!
Lee. I don't think you read the hub - I'm not here to debate if God is. That's what the forums are for.
I often wonder the same thing. Why does God allow bad things happen to "seemingly good people". I guess we will never know the answer to that. What makes it more difficult is when a non-christian (especially Buddhists who do not believe in a God) asks you that question. When you do not know the answer yourself how are you to answer them?
Not having the answers to some very hard questions is always frustrating.
Absolutely awesome! Great hub and with that being said, I look forward to reading more of yours! Keep up the great hubs!
Thank you chaz cecil.
Awesome girl
I am so proud of you
Shucks Mom! You are making me blush :)
Very thought provoking! I haven't read the book and I appreciate the referral. I have my own thoughts on this topic, but, I may have to write a hub to share them. One thought I will share here. God allows suffering and bad things to happen to show us how genuine our faith is(for example: Job).
Yeshuan - I encourage you to write your own hub and share your thoughts on the subject. Please feel free to share the link once you have.
I have to say that I have a hard time believing that God "allows" these things to happen in order to "test our faith" shall we say. Thinking as a parent, I cannot honestly say that I would intentionally have something bad happen to my children to see if they truly love me. That concept just seems wrong to me.
I've read the story of Job often, and still have not come to terms with the ideal behind it. I'd be interested in reading your thoughts - so go write your hub :)
OK, Duchess, I did it! Here it is:
http://yeshuan.hubpages.com/hub/tmttam/
You will find that what I truly believe is different from what I posted earlier.
An excellent piece of work! Thank you for sharing it.
I agree that it's a great thing that man kind has been given a free will by God. Outcomes of freewill are both good and bad. The important thing is that we learn from the choices that we make, and from the choices that other people make. Overall with freewill comes the opportunity to learn.
Thank you ACMagelina.
I've not read all the responses to your question, however I do have my own perspective on it I'd like to share. :P
Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people? For a second lets throw all of the "good" and "bad" into a pot and change the question to, "Why does God allow bad things to happen to people?" Now think of a world in which only good things happen. People could not break bones, they would not get ill, they would not die, they would not loose that first lover, they would not experience grief, loss, hate, depression, negativity, or anything of a negative connotation. There is a yin to this yang, and that is if we did not have negativity or strife life would be monotonous As A Human. Everything has a balance to it, and I see life like a circle, there is always an opposite that attracts somewhere in between. The bad that we as human beings experience is to allow us to appreciate the good and beauty, and to learn, as to say to every action there is a reaction. Every negative incident we encounter will alter your path in life one way or another.
To add to this, I am not of a Christian religion, or any for that matter. I am simply spiritual. God guides me inside for the answers, for all questions we have the answer resides somewhere inside.
Yes, there is always a ying to the yang and balance is important to us all. Interesting observations, thank you for sharing your thoughts on the subject
Has anyone acknowldged the fact that God created Evil and that God created the waster to destroy?? Then God said, all he created was very good? Why do you think he said it was very good given the fact he created evil and the waster to destroy? He said it becuase It is good FOR THE PURPOSE IN WHICH HE CREATED IT FOR. It's here for a reason. The reason is we have to know both good and evil. The bible does say this. In the bible it says, he has become one of us to know both good and evil.
Well I believe the answer is free will. God wants us to make our own decision to love him. He didn't make us to be puppets. We all suffer and we don't know why, only God knows. Even Jesus dealt with persecution. God rains on the just and the unjust but in the end the faithful are rewarded!!! Jesus said they will persecute you because they persecuted me.
Do you really expect god to do everything!! He gave us choices!!
Thank you Godzangel for your take on the question
Alaysha - I'm in total agreement that God gave us choices. I don't think I ever once mentioned that I think He should do everything. I certainly don't think that way
I don't know if God let that happen. Maybe it's just that we only pay attention when bad things happen and not when good things happen.
Yes Alaysha, He did give us choices. Not that we always make the right ones.
iamageniuster - as is so often the case, we don't pay attention to God until things are bad. One of human nature's biggest downfalls.
Great hub. Amazing revelations from your visitors. DOB. I've learned so much from these realities of life and further strengthens my faith and energizes me in my ministry in Jesus.
Make no mistake about it, as I firmly believe, Jesus is the true Messiah, he loves us all and is in all of us ready to save us, waiting to be revealed as we may sincerely pray and accept him as our Savior, for he is "the truth, the way and the life," and he is the "only way to eternal life," for he is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega, as God Almighty. Before, as God made man in Jesus, he was, he is "one with the Father," and will always be our God, for he is One and the same God who created us all, and he is the "Word made flesh," as in John 1:3 and John 1:14.
If this is hard to understand, it is, for humans who live in the flesh, and who rely mostly on the mind and logic for answers, something concrete and material, but God is spirit, and better understood in our spirit.
And if we open our eyes, while our spirit is attuned to God, we may see and feel his awesome power in the things around us and within us. Do you? Blessings.
Yes I do.
This question is one that is frequently asked in Christian and non-Christian communities. In his book, Theology: The Basics, Alister E. McGrath explains what Bonhoeffer's point of view is: "it is through suffering that Christians learn to turn the final outcome of their actions over to God, who alone can perfect them in glory." Bonhoeffer is saying that we suffer so that we will turn to God. It is my experience that people do not think that they need "religion" when their life is going well; it is when we are in times of need that we especially turn to God. 2 Corinthians 12:9 says, "But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
When speaking at a memorial service for the victims of 9/11, Tim Keller said, "We don't know the reason God allows evil and suffering to continue, but we know what the reason isn't, what it can't be. It can't be that He doesn't love us! It can't be that He doesn't care! God so loved us and hates suffering that He was willing to come down and get involved in it." Here, Keller is saying that we live in a sinful world, but God is always there for His people. God sent Jesus down to die on the cross; therefore, He has been a part of our sufferings.
Romans 8:28 says, "and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him...". Although we do not have the reason for suffering, Christians have the reassurance that bad things will work together for their good and God's glory.
While I can say those are the teaching I had as a youngster, and they are still engrained in my heart and head, I would just like to add that not everything has to be bad to help us grow in our relationship with God.
God is sovereign, he can do what he wants when he wants to.
I think, in my own humble way, that God is another name for universal energy. Everyone is a part of this energy whether they wish to be or not, whether they are aware of it or not. Life is. in this sense, lived with God at all times in all ways inside and outside of time. In life the major thing is, how you employ your energy, your part of the infinite energy of God and in death the only change is you return to the source of your being, God. If I could explain;
Imagine a Christmas time, every one is happy together again in the old home warm and cheerful reliving memories. Then, someone suggests a game of Monopoly. Everyone joins in with great enthusiasm. Some enter with lightheartedness, others are determined to win, it really matters to them. Gradually the players are knocked out but your interest and stake in the game continues, you are still totally connected with the spirit of the game. It becomes real to you. Then suddenly you are faced with undeniable and unavoidable defeat. You land on Mayfair and it is time for you to leave. You seem to have lost.You feel defeat keenly.The others are sorry for you because it seems so unfair you tried so hard. Then something funny happens, you become aware of the room again, the warm fire the comfortable sofa where some of your friends have been relaxing for quite a while, the mince pies and trifle and you think, why did I regret loosing this is far better. You realize the game is over and you can relax. You did your best and you developed in stature because you tried, even if you did not win.
So it is with life. Some people die early some in middle age some in old age. Each has their own course to run, their own little game to play, but in the end each must return to God, they never really left you see, they just dipped their toe in the water. Sometimes it seems cruel particularly when someone has tried hard that they have to die in a horrible way at the hands of a cruel person, but that is a part of their experience, they are learning from that in their own time and with God at their side .. always.
Life is about experience and learning. God is always within and without you, you cannot be seperated from the energy of the universe and death is only really the end of a game not the end of a person.
Well said
why does GOD make bad things happen to good people like me? that is so very much true in my case. all i ever wanted out of life was to meet the right woman for me, and have a family that i would have wanted. i was married at one time, and i was a very caring and loving husband that never ever CHEATED on her, but she cheated on me. i was very committed at the time to her because, i loved her very much. now that i go out a lot i seem to meet the nastiest women with their ATTITUDE PROBLEM. i did nothing WRONG on my part for this to happen to me, that is for sure. i just want very much to meet the RIGHT WOMAN for me this time around, and that would make my life very much complete. when i was married at the time, i always stayed at home with her. i had no reason to go out without her, since i knew at the time that i had someone to be home with. i was a one woman man to begin with, and certainly had no reason to CHEAT on her. when i look at the other people out there that have been so lucky to have met each other and have a family, it bothers me a lot because i would have wanted the same thing as well. the people out there now that have a life, should certainly go to CHURCH to pray and certainly thank GOD very much for what they have. it is the people like us that have it very hard right now, and are hurting VERY BADLY. this is why i will go out every single night, since i have no one to stay home too now. it is no fun at all being alone and single again for me. but i will try to be very strong, and hope that i will be at the right place at the right time to meet a good woman again. it seems that god makes so many people find happiness and not me. why? i do not know myself. he must have forgotten about us.
He hasn't forgotten, most times we just are not looking in the right place. Or even listening.
I wish you the best.
God bless
TO DUCHESS OBLUNT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
God Bless You
Lynda 2 years ago
I have read the book, and regardless whether you beleive in God or not it is a very good read. But for those of us that have grown up with "a" prespective of God, being we have put him in a box, this book breaks that box wide open.